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Tuesday, November 16, 2004
Media vs. the Military: There They Go Again!
Media vs. the Military: There They Go Again!
Once again (or perhaps "still" would be more accurate), the so-called "mainstream" media is trying to turn public opinion against the US military and the liberation of Iraq. In October 2003, the media tried to use the case of Lt. Colonel West to undermine support for the war in America. The Colonel scared a captured terrorist into giving up information about an ambush that saved the lives of his men. He caused the prisoner no harm, but put his twenty-year career on the line by firing a gun to intimidate the man. In May 2004, CBS and the rest of the Liberal media blew the events at Abu Ghraib prison out of all proportion in order to discredit the Bush administration. Ignoring the facts -- that the military had halted the abuses as soon as they were reported, and was already investigating the soldiers who went beyond their orders and abused prisoners -- CBS (of later forged document infamy) led the charge to smear the President and anyone else they could reach. Though the media enabled our enemies to claim a major propaganda victory in both cases, most Americans were able to look beyond the Liberal mudslinging for the truth before making their own judgments. However, to paraphrase Ronald Reagan, "there they go again!" As they've done before, the American media is rushing to hand our enemies a propaganda coup they could never hope to attain for themselves.
The latest story in the media spin cycle is the case of a Marine who shot a wounded enemy in Fallujah. According to a videotape and news story by an NBC reporter, the incident took place in a mosque that had been used as a firing position by the enemy. A different group of Marines had killed and wounded the insurgents occupying the mosque the day before. They didn't secure the location at that time, since they were involved in a firefight. Marines of the 3rd battalion, 1st regiment, receiving a report that the enemy had re-occupied the mosque, entered the building. One man among the dead and wounded in the mosque was apparently feigning unconsciousness, and one of the Marines shot him. The fact that the Marine first warned his fellows by saying, "He's faking he's dead!" twice before firing shows that he considered the man to be a danger.
Liberals are quick to pronounce judgment before all the facts are known, falsely labeling the men in the mosque "prisoners," and calling the incident an "atrocity" and an "execution." They won't even wait for the investigation that is already underway to conclude. They accuse the United States of violating the Geneva Convention, although the insurgents were not prisoners and the Geneva Convention does not apply to terrorists. According to the 1949 Geneva Convention IV, article 4, part 2, prisoners eligible for protection must have been commanded by a responsible person, worn a distinctive badge or uniform, carried their weapons openly, and fought by the rules of the Geneva conventions themselves. Terrorists must choose e) none of the above. When the reporter informed the Marine that the wounded and dead terrorists were the same men who had been shot the day before and left behind, the Marine said, "I didn't know, sir. I didn't know." The Left doesn't ask whether the wounded man might have made a sudden motion, or looked as though he might be concealing a weapon or explosive. They refuse to take into account how many terrorists have feigned unconsciousness or surrender in order to lure soldiers close enough to kill. The day before, a booby-trapped dead body had killed another Marine from the very same unit, and the Marine who shot the wounded terrorist in the mosque had himself been shot in the face.
If any members of the US military (especially those in Iraq or Afghanistan) were reading this, I'd say: don't take chances. Your lives are far more important than those of the terrorists you're fighting. If an enemy gives you even the slightest cause for doubt, then shoot first and ask questions later. You are on the scene; I am not. You have been trained under the harshest conditions to recognise and respond to danger as if by instinct; I have not. You only have a split-second in which to react to a possible threat to your life and the lives of your fellow soldiers while under combat conditions; I have all the time in the world, safe at home while you protect me. Without serious cause to doubt it, I trust your judgment. If this man appeared to be a threat in any way whatsoever, then action was justified. We won't win any battles by giving the enemy extra chances to kill our troops. We won't win any wars by letting them send you home, sleeping under a flag.
Monday-morning quarterbacking media pundits and hysterical anti-military Liberals want to convict, condemn, draw and quarter any soldier who doesn't play by some bizarre, fantasy world, white-bread version of the rules, guaranteed to kill more Americans than enemies. I guess they've dropped the veneer of "supporting the troops" they adopted while trying to get John Kerry elected... a man who made his bones in the Democratic party by accusing every soldier in Vietnam of committing atrocities "on a day-to-day basis with the full awareness of officers at all levels of command." Isn't that exactly what the Left is doing to the troops in Iraq today -- accusing them of committing war crimes in order to indict the administration by association?
Come to think of it, didn't Kerry get a Silver Star for shooting a wounded, fleeing enemy in the back, as per his own after-action report... and didn't the Democrats hail him as the greatest war hero since Sergeant York and Audie Murphy only a few short months ago? Things certainly have changed quickly, it seems, now that the election's over.
UPDATE: Please sign the petition to support this Marine, who may have saved the lives of his fellows by his quick action.
UPDATE 2: Buried on the Web and back pages of newspapers, never getting a spot on the nightly newscasts, is the story of a "dead" terrorist who miraculously came to life and shot at the Marines who were clearing a Fallujah street.
Posted at Tuesday, November 16, 2004 by CavalierX
 |  |  | Lark November 17, 2004 09:50 AM PST
Was that the one that got the combat "V", per chance? |  |
  |  |  | JM November 17, 2004 10:01 AM PST
Yes, as a matter of fact, it was... even though the Navy has never given a Silver Star with a V for valor. |  |
  |  |  | ThaSickness November 17, 2004 11:18 AM PST
THe media would rather give the terrorists who was shot a medal.... remember back in the day when Pinch Sulzberger of the NY Times said that he'd rather see an American killed in Veitnam than a Vietcong?? "It's his country".. yada, yada, yada... Screw the media. They'll come outta this looking like the asshats they are when this is over. |  |
  |  |  | Virtus November 17, 2004 06:34 PM PST
"If any members of the US military (especially those in Iraq or Afghanistan) were reading this, I'd say: don't take chances. Your lives are far more important than those of the terrorists you're fighting. If an enemy gives you even the slightest cause for doubt, then shoot first and ask questions later."
At least some people get it. The Force Continuum, ROE, Rules for Deadly Force, etc... take precedence, but overall you are correct (obviously :) )
Good read, thanks for the support of our Brothers in combat.
Semper Fi |  |
  |  |  | selfindulgence November 17, 2004 08:20 PM PST
I noticed you were talking about the Patriot Act on the main tag board. Always a fun topic.
I really have no desire to get involved there, but thought you might find these articles interesting.
Pay particular attention to the second one...There is some good stuff there.
http://www.opinionjournal.com/editorial/feature.html?id=110004403
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1232427/posts |  |
  |  |  | trinko November 17, 2004 09:19 PM PST
check out http://www.powerlineblog.com/ there's a letter from a marine in Iraq that says that the terrorists have been using wounded men as suicide bombers. hence it becomes very risky for marines to not shot questionable folks. of course the marines will always try to minize such incidents. |  |
  |  |  | Jim Baxter November 18, 2004 09:32 AM PST
I was a combat Marine in WWII and the Korean War. The Japanese pulled the same dirty tricks on us throughout the war. Not to be trusted, we learned to kill or strip them naked. Same in Korea with the Nokos and the Chinese. Take no chances. Ignore the second-hand opinions of rear-echelon pogues. Win...and Live.
Jim Baxter
Sgt. USMC
WWII & Korean War |  |
  |  |  | Michael Cosyns November 18, 2004 06:16 PM PST
Mr. Baxter, you were a US Marine in WWII? Sir, this 39-year old Belgian bows his head in deep respect to you and thanks you wholeheartedly for your service!
JM, you're right about that Geneva thing. These fuckers are indistinguishable from civilians. Haven't even seen those black pajamas on the videotapes. Ergo, no mercy. I hope some sane heads in the upper echelons manage to keep that Marine unscathed.
Audie Murphy: I know him and his reputation. Read some pretty impressive stories about him when he was fighting the Germans in Alsace (France) in January 45 during the German offensive Nordwind. Have seen no movie with him though. Maybe I should give it a try. |  |
  |  |  | Tim November 19, 2004 06:18 AM PST
I think the Cubans and CavalierX were correct on this one - 'Don't take any chances.'
If a terrorist enters a sovereign country on a mission to to kill, it is a soliders duty to use overwhelming force and destroy the terrorist.
The joke is that the US government continually denied any of its citizens were involved in the bay of pigs invasion. This led to the bodies of the dead US terrorists being left in a Cuban morgue for years unable to be returned to their families.
The even bigger joke is that the a US kangaroo court has just awarded the daughter of a terrorist millions of dollars.
Is this fun? - you couldn't even make it up if you tried!
The pilot was captured during a failed bid to overthrow Castro
A woman in the US has been awarded more than $80m after suing Cuban President Fidel Castro and his government for allegedly executing her father.
CIA pilot Thomas Pete Ray took part in the failed Bay of Pigs invasion to overthrow Mr Castro in 1961.
A judge in Miami ruled that he was the victim of an extra-judicial killing.
Cuba did not offer a defence in the trial, heard without a jury. According to American law, Janet Ray will be paid out of Cuban assets frozen in the US.
Speaking after the award was given in her favour, Ms Ray said her intention was to do nothing more than honour her father and spen the money on a big house, fast cars and a exotic holiday.
The pilot was captured by Cuba shortly after his plane was shot down during the botched invasion by Cuban exiles, backed by the US.
Ray's body, with a gunshot wound to the right temple, remained in a Havana morgue until 1979.
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  |  |  | TheRealDeal November 19, 2004 07:29 AM PST
What disgusting morons these Lefties are! Calling Americans trying to overthrow a brutal oppressive dictator "terrorists" and ranting about it on an inappropriate message board to boot! Castro should be killed or overthrown by any means necesary, the same as any criminal thug who takes over an entire country and oppresses the people. Why do Liberals suck up to dictators and kiss their asses? Didn't they used to at least PRETEND to care about liberty and freedom? Most Liberals are anti-American operatives working on behalf of our enemies, and should be treated accordingly. |  |
  |  |  | Tim November 19, 2004 07:56 AM PST
I think you will find that the overwhelming majority of Cubans overthrew an evil US backed dictator in a revolution in 1959.
Are you saying a country cannot have a revolution - are you patriot, forgetting 1776.
What were these CIA terrorists doing illegally invading a sovereign country - I think what they were doing was illegal under US law, they over steped the line and became terrorist- state terrorists and deserved to die!
The tragedy is that US government lied to their own citizens and the families of these dead terrorist who could have be returned to their loved ones to be buried.
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  |  |  | TheRealDeal November 19, 2004 08:09 AM PST
Liberals. Hate. America.
There's no point in arguing with the slimy scum really, they're immune to logic and reason. All they have is hatred of America and love of brutal oppressive dictators like Saddam and Castro. Pretty disgusting. |  |
  |  |  | Zacky November 19, 2004 08:16 AM PST
Therealdeal,
How many times has the US sucked up to and continues to suck up to evil dictators?
South American military dictatorships in the 70s and 80s!
Indonesia until the 90s!
Saudi Arabia until today!
Opps the truth hurts you blockhead! |  |
  |  |  | TheRealDeal November 19, 2004 08:27 AM PST
Hey Zacky:
Ever hear of a country called the Soviet Union? Try learning something about history before attacking the US for preventing them from taking over the world. |  |
  |  |  | Tim November 19, 2004 08:32 AM PST
>Hate
> Logic and reason
Yep blockheads certainly do! |  |
  |  |  | Zacky November 19, 2004 08:38 AM PST
The Soviet Union was great and it was a disaster for the world's working class when it ended.
What is freedom in Russia now, freedom to starve, freedom to become an addict, freedom to become a sex slave?
One day we will have the Socialist Republic of America. |  |
  |  |  | TheRealDeal November 19, 2004 08:40 AM PST
HAHAHAHA! For a moment I took you seriously. I apologize for that! HAHAHAHAHA! |  |
  |  |  | Zacky November 19, 2004 09:16 AM PST
Americans for Cuba
Viva Cuba!
Viva Castro!
Viva Communism! |  |
  |  |  | Tim November 19, 2004 10:27 AM PST
19th November 2004
CIA backed terrorists murder innocent victim.
CIA backed terrorists murder Danilo Anderson, a state prosecutor investigating those involved in aUS backed 2002 coup against the democratically elected Venezuelan President Hugo Chavez.
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  |  |  | Jamie November 19, 2004 09:14 PM PST
Excellent, as usual. I just read an article written by a police officer which is very good, too.
http://tinyurl.com/4nyse
Especially interesting was something he related from a tv series called Ethics in America, hosted by the late Fred Friendly, former president of CBS News. It was an exchange with Mike Wallace and Peter Jennings and it exposes the attitude of journalists. Its too long to post here, so I hope you guys will go there and read it. (By you guys, I mean those people not suffering from Post Election Disorder.)
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  |  |  | JM November 19, 2004 09:21 PM PST
That's a good article, Jaime. Seems to me it's the Left who could benefit most from that article, though. If only. |  |
  |  |  | Jamie November 19, 2004 09:26 PM PST
This letter from a marine says it all....
http://tinyurl.com/62st5 |  |
  |  |  | NameAMK November 19, 2004 10:23 PM PST
Go to www.petitionsonline and sign petition for that brave young marine who wanted to save other marine lives - and ours. |  |
  |  |  | Tim November 22, 2004 09:05 AM PST
Who are the terrorists and who is doing the terrorising?
International Red Cross hits out at Iraq abuses.
The International Committee of the Red Cross has condemned what it calls the "utter contempt for humanity" shown by all sides in the fighting in Iraq.
In an unusually critical statement from its headquarters in Iraq, the ICRC said the conflict was having a devastating impact on the people in Iraq.
It urged all warring parties to comply with international humanitarian law.
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  |  |  | Jenn November 22, 2004 09:27 AM PST
"Who are the terrorists and who is doing the terrorising?"
Let's see... one side is extremely careful to avoid civilian casualties, and even managed to take Falluja without a single civilian death. The other side murders civilians on PURPOSE, including children and women like Margaret Hassan, leaving headless bodies in the streets, and even sends videos of their murders to Al Jazeera for laughs. If you can't tell the two sides apart, you are an extremely SICK individual!!
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  |  |  | Tim November 22, 2004 09:56 AM PST
>even managed to take Fullja without a single civilain death.
Jenn are you mad?
Another side takes photos and videos of prisoners it is torturing!
So it must be that the international Red Cross is lying then? |  |
  |  |  | Jenn November 22, 2004 10:00 AM PST
The Red Cross is indulging in moral equivalency, same as you. |  |
  |  |  | Tim November 22, 2004 10:09 AM PST
Jenn I think you are indulging in moral bankruptcy.
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  |  |  | Jenn November 22, 2004 10:20 AM PST
Tim, I don't think anyone who can't tell the difference between terrorists and US soldiers has any right to use the word "morals". That includes your precious UN. |  |
  |  |  | Mescalero November 22, 2004 11:41 PM PST
To those of you who consider yourselves patriots of the left, you have only one question to answer before you go to the gallows! Who was Hitler's partner from Sept., 1939 to June, 1941? Also answer this question: why were there virtually no Nazi sympathizers in the Polish province of Galicia prior to 1939? Think about it moonbats -- the only name that shows up is Stalin, Josheph Stalin. To this day, Stalin is considered the greatest war criminal of all time by the Ukrainians! |  |
  |  |  | Karkonis January 14, 2005 11:27 AM PST
its funny how all of you have something to say that dosent support our troops and such, but fact is the people over their fighting see a reason to fight, they are 20 year olds in a fear for their life and i believe they have every reason to shoot somone, if they are an enemy soldier they should be shot... no precautions should be taken in that 2 many lives are being lost. |  |
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