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Sunday, May 15, 2005
What Liberals Want
After years of debating Liberals, hearing and reading the same talking points, and trying to get past those to discover what they actually think, I've gotten somewhat of a handle on what Liberals want. Though they claim to want equality and fairness, a more accurate description would be that they want sameness of result. Where most of us consider starting with sameness of opportunity to be the height of equality, Liberals are more interested in bringing everyone down to the lowest common denominator.
In the case of religion, this is what drives Liberals to attack Christianity -- it's the most popular religion in America. With all its varied denominations, some 76.5% of Americans identified themselves as Christians in 2001. That's not fair, in Liberal minds. The sameness of result demands that all religions be treated the same in the end. In the Liberal view, a 2000-year old religion with millions of adherents across the country should be treated as though it were precisely equal to some made-up Gaia-Wicca-free love cult thing a dozen Californians invented last week while high. To them, there is no difference between the Pope and Moondoggy the Earth Mother shaman. They're both to be treated as the leader of a tiny cult of wackos -- the lowest common denominator.
Liberals are also dedicated to the Marxist idea that there's a finite amount of wealth in the world. That's why they insist on punishing "the rich" (which can be defined as "anyone with a job") for having too much money. If you have more money than you need, they feel, you are somehow keeping the excess from someone else who needs it. Liberals like the idea that everyone should end up with the same amount of money after taxes redistribute the wealth from top to bottom. However, there would be no incentive whatsoever to work harder, better or faster than you absolutely need to, or to improve yourself in any way, if you end up with the same result no matter what. That's why China, North Korea and Cuba need men with guns to control their own population, as the USSR once did. But try explaining that to a Liberal.
Most of us realise that anyone not afraid of hard work has a chance to do well. This is especially true in America, where the only limits are one's own ambition and ability. Liberals love the progressive tax system, which takes a greater percentage of your money as you earn more. It's not fair that you should have more money than others, so your money should be forcibly redistributed to those who make less, in terms of government-run programs and services. With all the loopholes in our Byzantine tax code, however, the truly rich hardly pay at all. Theresa Heinz-Kerry, wife of the Democratic candidate for President in 2004, paid an effective tax rate of only 12.4% in 2003. Her reported income for that year was over five million dollars -- and that's just what her highly-paid accountants couldn't hide in tax shelters most Americans could never afford. That's a far lower rate than the average American pays... and the average American is worth quite a bit less than a billion dollars. The progressive tax system is a dagger aimed at the heart of the middle class, as it only increases the gap between ultra-rich and poor. It forces equality of result, for all but the ultra-rich elites... a group which includes George Soros, Peter Lewis (the chairman of Progressive Corp, the insurance company) the Kennedy clan, the Heinzes and Kerrys, Stephen Bing, Barbra Streisand and the rest of the Hollywood crowd, and so on.
The main reason Liberals always seem to be fighting America's best interests is that we are too powerful, in their view. It's not fair that we have the most powerful economy and military on Earth. They never seem to see the good in America because they seek to highlight any bad they can find, no matter how small, in an attempt to bring America down to the same level as the worst of other countries -- again, the lowest common denominator. They want America to seem no better than North Korea or China in freedom, or the tiny island of Nauru in size or population. Liberals saw the Soviet Union as the military and ideological counterweight to America, a way of equalising the outcome in a zero-sum game. With the USSR gone, their only hope for bringing the US down to the lowest common denominator is the United Nations. Liberals see the UN as a place where all countries are treated as precisely equal, whether they're a nation that promotes freedom or slavery, democracy or totalitarianism. That's why Liberals excuse the UN for its many corruptions, crimes and scandals. Once again, it's an oversimplified sameness of result that Liberals seek, when the rest of us want the UN to be a place where all countries are encouraged to aspire to a higher standard.
In these three areas -- religion, wealth and power -- Liberals show us that their aim is to reduce us all to the lowest common denominator. Many years ago, I read Kurt Vonnegut's 1961 short story, "Harrison Bergeron." The story took place in a future time in which, as the story begins, "everybody was finally equal." Those deemed too intelligent were fitted with devices to interrupt their thoughts. Those thought too graceful or strong were forced to wear weights to slow them down. The faces of those who were too beautiful disappeared behind masks.
No greater horror could await mankind than a world in which everyone is reduced to the lowest common denominator instead of being encouraged to be the absolute best they can be. Yet that, it turns out, is precisely what Liberals want.
Posted at Sunday, May 15, 2005 by CavalierX
 |  |  | lmbrjk May 16, 2005 06:41 AM PDT
Oh no no no no, NO. Do not assume that liberals are magnanimous enough to live alongside us cavemen in a world where nobody has an 'unfair advantage'. They might make statements to this effect, but liberals are far too Platean.
Somebody has to oversee a perfect, utopian society; somebody to guide, control, and when necessary, to 'correct' its unruly charges. Us right-wingers are too childlike you see, if there were a caste of philosipher-kings to act as a giant, all-seeing 'mother', we'd soon come around. We might not elect them, challenge them or even examine their activities, but they are making decisions governing all aspects of our lives for our 'own good'. This might be, in our minds, a gross violation of our rights, but this is a sacrifice that THEY are willing to make. After all, someone's got to live in the ivory tower. |  |
  |  |  | Psychic Ferret May 16, 2005 09:31 AM PDT
Sorry Cav, but you're wrong about the money part.
Liberals believe that there is a secret room labeled "Money", probably under the White House, and Karl Rove has the keys. If only he would give the keys over to someone more enlightened for redistribution, then all of the progressive programs that keep the poor from reaching their full potential could be enacted and fully funded forever. Anytime funding ran out, progressives would go back to the room and take out more "Money". Everyone would be happy, healthy, beautiful and prosperous. Except Republicans.
Now if you’ll excuse me, I’m going back to the secret room labeled “Chocolate”.
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  |  |  | Rosemary May 16, 2005 12:06 PM PDT
You have a nice blog here. Very thoughtful and factual. Unlike Newsweek.
I don't think I would ever join the Constitutional Party, because of the candidates I've seen them put forward. I think they just took that name as a cover. It does sound like it, though, eh?! :) |  |
  |  |  | JM May 16, 2005 08:35 PM PDT
>After all, someone's got to live in
>the ivory tower.
Oh, of course! They want these things for us, the unwashed masses. :) |  |
  |  |  | JM May 16, 2005 08:37 PM PDT
>Liberals believe that there is a
>secret room labeled "Money",
>probably under the White House,
>and Karl Rove has the keys.
Well, sure, that's where a huge amount of the world's finite wealth is hoarded. I wrote to Karl to ask whether I can borrow the keys just for one day, but he hasn't gotten back to me yet. |  |
  |  |  | JM May 16, 2005 08:38 PM PDT
>Very thoughtful and factual.
>Unlike Newsweek.
Ouch! |  |
  |  |  | Frank Fleischman III May 17, 2005 09:12 AM PDT
Mr. Mariani, I have posted a reply to this entry on my blog (see above) if you wish to read it. |  |
  |  |  | NameSean Cunningham May 17, 2005 11:27 AM PDT
You don't know, or don't care, what liberalism is. That doesn't stop you from putting words in their mouths, and cherrypicking to bolster your conclusions. Tell me true, which tenet of liberalism champions the goal of a society where everyone is "finally equal?" |  |
  |  |  | JM May 17, 2005 11:40 AM PDT
>I have posted a reply to this entry
>on my blog
I really enjoyed reading it, mostly because you proved all my points while trying to refute them.
"I don't think it a crime if great disparities in wealth, civil rights protections and individual liberties were leveled just a bit."
"That by no means that Catholicism has the be-all, end-all truth excluding all other religions, which also deserve respect and protection. Religion, or the lack thereof for some people, is a personal decision."
"Our responsibility is to practice restraint and not to make little Americas out of every country in the world. Ideals of democracy, equality and freedom are the standards, but we must respect how they are implemented in other countries."
Fantastic. Thanks! Oh, one more thing:
"Can Mr. Mariani really justify the morality of CEOs giving themselves huge bonuses and raises while laying off workers, or do those bonuses and raises go to buying yachts, Mercedes and jewelry, thus benefitting the economy in the dream of the supply-sider?"
Please point out where I said that such practices were moral. Then tell me why it's the government's job to legislate morality. I believe Liberals are against that sort of thing. Am I wrong? |  |
  |  |  | JM May 17, 2005 11:42 AM PDT
>You don't know, or don't care,
>what liberalism is.
Of course I do. It's a mental disease spread by infected memes. Its symptoms resemble those of ADD/ADHD. |  |
  |  |  | Patrick May 17, 2005 01:19 PM PDT
"Liberals are also dedicated to the Marxist idea that there's a finite amount of wealth in the world. "
Where did you get this idea? In fact, Marxism is based on the idea that the modes of human production continually evolve, allowing not only different types of wealth but also more wealth to be produced. It is central to Marx's theory that wealth (capital) continue to increase (not remain static) as capitalist systems continue to develop. |  |
  |  |  | JM May 17, 2005 01:40 PM PDT
You must not have read your Marx. Marxists posit a finite amount of wealth in the world. If the amount of wealth were infinite, there would be no need to redistribute it. Here's how it works.
Adam Smith believed that the value of a thing comes from the labor that went to produce it. "Labour, therefore, is the real measure of the exchangeable value of all commodities." Although he was a brilliant economist, he was wrong on this point, as value has many meanings -- some wholly unrelated to the labor or resources used to produce the thing. Also, intangible things can have value as well. Unfortunately, Marx picked up on this very point and expanded it to create his theory of profit. Marx argued that since the value of a thing is determined by the labor that went into it, then laborers are responsible for its value. The number of laborers and the amount of resources are very finite numbers indeed, which is why Marxists believe that wealth -- created from resources by labor -- is finite. |  |
  |  |  | Frank Fleischman III May 17, 2005 02:22 PM PDT
I asked a question -- do you believe it is moral for a CEO to take a big raise or benefit while workers are laid off? Conservatism bills itself as valuing morality, so why not answer the question. In a free market society, what happened at Enron is perfectly legitimate, but is it moral? |  |
  |  |  | JM May 17, 2005 02:32 PM PDT
>do you believe it is moral for a
>CEO to take a big raise or benefit
>while workers are laid off?
Probably not, but not all situations are black and white. For instance, is the benefit one that could not possibly benefit the employees? If the CEO doesn't take the raise, what are the company's policies regarding that money? Are the workers being laid off because a factory is closing due to some outside forces -- environmental or zoning restrictions, perhaps? Liberals seem to think that companies have no internal rules and regulations regarding such things; they see the movement of money as a linear decision. Remove it from A, apply it to B, and all problems are solved.
>In a free market society, what
>happened at Enron is perfectly
>legitimate, but is it moral?
Certainly not, which is why those responsible, including top dog Ken Lay, were exposed and prosecuted. If only we could say the same about the financial scandals at the UN. |  |
  |  |  | Patrick May 17, 2005 07:34 PM PDT
I think you're misinterpreting Marx. He certainly believed in the labor theory of value (though it's not as central an idea in Marxism as many critics would like to think), but it doesn't imply that wealth is finite at all. All that the labor theory of value states is that the value of a commodity in excess of the value of the raw materials which compose it is due to the value of the labor used to produce it. That of course doesn't mean that all labor is equal in value. Both a McDonalds cook and a computer programmer may labor equal amounts but the value of the latter's labor is much greater than that of the former. Capitalism always seeks in increase the value derived from labor even though it is impossible to increase the amount of labor a worker can do. This tendancy is responsible for the continued evolution of the capitalist mode of production. Factories might start with workers inefficiently weaving textiles manually, but the search for profit motivates the creation of automated factories which allow fewer laborers to produce more commodities (greater value). Marxism really implies that wealth continually increases under capitalism. |  |
  |  |  | JM May 17, 2005 07:52 PM PDT
>Marxism really implies that wealth
>continually increases under
>capitalism.
Ahh, well, that explains why Marxists continually attack capitalism, then. Well done. |  |
  |  |  | Patrick May 17, 2005 08:17 PM PDT
You really don't seem to understand Marx at all, which is why I bothered to comment on your post in the first place. Marx argues that capitalism is undersirable because it is dehumanizing. He concedes that it is efficient (up to a point) and even necessary. However, in Marxian theory, capitalism and all other modes of production contain the seeds of their own destruction. Just as feudal systems eventually gave rise to a capitalist class that brought down feudal societies, as capitalism develops it gives rise to a proletarian class that eventually overthrows capitalist societies. The development of capitalism is a historically necessary phase of human history, but, according to Marx, we should look forward to more human modes of production (idealized Communism) when capitalism has developed to the point that a new mode of production becomes possible.
Now you may or may not buy Marx's theory, but I'm concerned that you're unclear about what you're attacking. Marx didn't attack capitalism because he wanted the poor to have more stuff. He thought that capitalism would collapse of its own accord and that recognition of the flaws of capitalist production could lead us to a more human alternative at a certain point in history. |  |
  |  |  | JM May 17, 2005 08:34 PM PDT
>Marx argues that capitalism is
>undersirable because it is
>dehumanizing.
I fail to see how allowing people to develop to their full potential, to rise as far as talent and ambition will take them, and to work for their own goals rather than goals imposed by the State is in any way dehumanising.
>according to Marx, we should look
>forward to more human modes of
>production (idealized Communism)
Well, then, we should immediately set up a country devoted to Marxism, because surely it will do well. Oh, wait... someone already did that. I think they called it the USSR or something. Whatever happened to that country, anyway? Anyone know?
>He thought that capitalism would
>collapse of its own accord
Yes, any day now. Keep the hope alive, son. |  |
  |  |  | Drew458 May 17, 2005 10:50 PM PDT
Hey Joe, great insights! Now, can you write the next article, "What women want"? Then you'll be my hero forever! |  |
  |  |  | JM May 18, 2005 06:09 AM PDT
Don't I just wish I knew THAT. :( |  |
  |  |  | Rob May 19, 2005 04:04 PM PDT
Perhaps our friend Tania (Skye) could help us ALL out with that one, Joe! |  |
  |  |  | Skizz May 20, 2005 02:16 AM PDT
Maybe Patrick should remember that Communism killed over 100,000 people. Wanna try it again, Patty? |  |
  |  |  | skye May 21, 2005 12:34 PM PDT
Okay Rob...I am composing a list and will post it shortly :) |  |
  |  |  | JM May 21, 2005 02:08 PM PDT
I can only hope that I measure up to it. |  |
  |  |  | JM May 22, 2005 12:46 PM PDT
If you want to know what a old-time 1960's Liberal has to say about the road the Left has taken, and how he feels about it, see here:
http://sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/c/a/2005/05/22/INGUNCQHKJ1.DTL |  |
  |  |  | Skizz May 24, 2005 01:24 AM PDT
I saw that same article (and heard it on Limbaugh today too).. I'm wondering though... is this how most "moderate" Dems feel (I know there are at least SOME out there) or do they just feel it's best to be hijacked by the extreme left? Any lib wanna answer that one for me? |  |
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