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Faith-Based Science 2: Attacking Evolution
Faith-Based Science 2: Attacking Evolution
Science is our way of using reason and logic to understand how things work. One forms a hypothesis to explain data gathered by experiment or observation, and the hypothesis becomes a theory when supported by evidence. There are no absolutes in science -- even the "law" of gravity was found insufficient to explain the behavior of matter in extreme circumstances. Einstein succeeded Newton, and was in turn succeeded by Hawking.
When science becomes entangled with ideology, however, the truth is what suffers. Some on the Right are just as guilty of filtering science through their ideology as most of those on the Left. Promoting anthropogenic (human-caused) global warming and attacking the theory of evolution are two sides of the same "faith-based science" coin.
Evolution is a rather simple and elegant theory, and easy to explain. Over time, successive generations of creatures will slowly become more adept at survival in their environment, as long as that environment stays the same. No creature is precisely like either of its parents, as anyone can see. If any difference, no matter how slight, gives a creature an advantage in finding food, avoiding predators or finding a mate, that creature will live longer and consequently leave more descendants. The genes for those traits will become dominant in those descendants. Over time, traits that confer an advantage will spread among the population. If the environment changes, the process begins in a new direction.
Some on the Right try to discredit the theory of evolution for purely ideological reasons masquerading as scientific objections. Their "intelligent design" alternative theory depends on the active intervention of an intelligence: either God or advanced aliens. However, this theory doesn't explain the varying forms of life shown by the fossil records, unless that designing intelligence makes a LOT of mistakes and missteps.
Let's cut to the heart of the debate. The anti-evolution crowd have two real objections to a simple, scientific theory: they feel evolution "disproves" the existence of God, and they object to any suggestion that humans may have evolved from lesser creatures. These are purely religious objections, not questions that can be answered by any amount of evidence.
Proponents of ID often denigrate evolution on the grounds that it can't explain how life began. But evolution is not a theory that covers the beginning of life; evolution must presuppose that life exists. The creation of the universe is an entirely different discussion. Some argue that life forms are too complex to have evolved spontaneously, or randomly. Of course, evolutionary theory does not state either of those things. Randomness has little to do with whether a certain trait carries an advantage for a creature.
ID enthusiasts also argue that evolution can't work as long as there are gaps in the fossil records. That's a fallacious argument, however -- every time a single gap is filled, two gaps are created. The theory of evolution is the best scientific way we've found so far to explain those gaps -- creatures slowly change over time to better suit their environment.
Consider this question: why do giraffes have long necks? The intelligent design crowd might simply say "well, God designed them that way," but that's not an answer. Our understanding of the universe is not advanced one iota that way. That's as if someone solving a huge, complex chemical equation drew a circle around a blank spot and said, "and then lead became gold," and moved on to the next part. Saying "it just happened" doesn't explain HOW it happened, and that's the question at hand.
Someone with a more inquisitive bent, but no understanding of science, might come up with a Lamarckian view: that giraffes changed by successive generations stretching to reach the highest leaves. Since we know that acquired traits are not inherited, that explanation makes no logical sense. Otherwise, millions of children would be born every year with their ears already pierced.
On the other hand, evolutionary theory can provide a reasonable explanation. The ancestors of modern giraffes (a deer-like creature with a short neck) lived in the lush African grasslands as they began to dry out. Some naturally had slightly longer necks and forelegs than others, the same way some people are naturally taller than others. Because of increasing competition for food, the lower branches of the ancient acacia trees would get browsed out early, leaving the higher branches for taller creatures, who could find food when slightly shorter creatures went hungry. As a result, taller ones lived longer and mated more often, passing on the genes for longer necks and forelegs. Of course, other factors were involved in the selection for longer necks -- giraffes also use a long field of vision to help them spot predators, for instance -- but competition for food may have been the primary factor.
The fossil record shows that the ancestors of modern giraffes branched off from something like a modern okapi during the early Miocene (around 23 million years ago). A line of several distinct species led to modern giraffes, each with progressively longer necks and forelegs. Meanwhile, the okapi, a close relative of the giraffe living in a rainforest area with plenty of food, remained essentially unchanged. Competition drives change.
Now, the anti-evolution crowd will feel that the above explanation is an attempt to prove there's no God. How that can be so escapes me. From all we've heard of God, he remains unseen, which gives belief a moral value. If that were true, then he would likely set up a mechanism like evolution to enable species to respond to an ever-changing Earth without tipping his hand. After all, if we kept finding familiar animals suddenly changing into brand-new species everywhere we looked, we just might suspect a supernatural hand at work. Religion would no longer have any more moral value than mathematics.
Evolution takes place under human supervision every day. Due to deliberate changes in their environment (that is, artificial selection for traits that merit breeding), cows have developed huge udders, sheep have developed thick, fluffy coats, dogs have developed hundreds of sub-species with specific traits that breed true, and so on. If deliberate, artificial selection by mere humans can accomplish such sweeping changes in only a few thousand years, how could anyone deny that greater changes can occur in the natural environment over the course of millions of years?
Before dismissing evolution, consider this also: if evolution is a crock, then why are we so concerned about the avian flu mutating into a form that humans can pass to each other? Human beings may have effectively halted our own evolution upon achieving intelligence, but the natural pressure to adapt continues in even the most humble and simple forms of life.
See Faith-Based Science 1: Anthropogenic Global Warming
Posted at Wednesday, June 21, 2006 by CavalierX
 |  |  | Howard Glenn Inman June 23, 2006 01:50 PM PDT
Mr Mariani,
I read your first artical (from The Conservative Voice) and I must say that there must be something wrong with you. Your article was interesting, non-baised, thoughtfull and well written. While a breath of fresh air, your only one of a few of the Opinion Columnists from that group I have found to be so. I was motivated to read other articles. Thank you
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  |  |  | JM June 23, 2006 04:26 PM PDT
Careful; you'll ruin my reputation. |  |
  |  |  | Mark June 26, 2006 12:05 PM PDT
This is exactly what I have been saying for years. I consider myself a hopeful agnostic, but I don't believe that the theory of evolution proves that God doesn't exist, neither do I think that Intelegent Design proves that evolution doesn't happen. I think that this argument had been fulled on both sides by simple bias, and now people don't really look at the evidence, just that they are religious or not religious and decide based on that. |  |
  |  |  | MrMeaner June 27, 2006 07:56 PM PDT
Good article, Cav.
Just becuse I don't agree with the interpretation of the data, doesn't mean I don't appreciate your civility toward those on the other side of the argument.
I really try to approach the subject from as secular of a perspective as I
can.
And there are issues besides the origin of cellular life that I can't get past.
But the gist of what I'm saying is,
You defend your position well, and with grace.
Actually I've been arguing with this buffoon off and on for two days on another blog..The guy could use some lessons on debate from you.
It was ugly..This guy was slapped around mercilessly. I was almost ashamed of myself. In fact I had to Email the blog and ask that one of my comments be removed..It got ugly.
But it ended up being a good debate,with several contributers.
A lot of evidence was discussed.
You might find some of it interesting.
WARNING:
It is a Christian-themed site. And I did start out by playing the cell card.
But I was forced to research different aspects when "Ed" came up with some evidence. And it ended up being a learning experience for (I hope) everybody.
http://www.worldmagblog.com/cgi-bin/mt-comments.cgi?entry_id=25147
If you get bored later, you should check it out. |  |
  |  |  | JM June 27, 2006 09:01 PM PDT
Thanks, MrMeaner. |  |
  |  |  | czekmark June 29, 2006 11:23 AM PDT
You are so wrong about evolution being science. As promoted by its adherents it is an ideology like any other religion and it is an ideology that is atheistic claiming that all things come about naturally without any 'intelligent' interactions. That is not science. True science is open to any form of challenge and discovery simply because so much remains to be known about everything. For instance, no one knows how light can be both a particle, photon, and an energy source, wave, yet there are scientific 'facts' and a science branch, quantum electrodynamics, with appropriate mathematics that describe the properties of light. Nothing concrete like this exists for evolution . There are only the assumptions, exterpolations and wild speculatoin associated with interpreting long dead fossils. No one has seen a life form evolve into something significantly different from itself. [Obvious mutations don't count]. Now there may be some scientific substance to evolution but what is being presented in our schools and universities is mostly a fraud. |  |
  |  |  | JM June 29, 2006 11:47 AM PDT
>You are so wrong about evolution
>being science
Not at all. Evolution is a perfectly valid scientific theory.
>As promoted by its adherents it is
>an ideology like any other religion
Any possible misuse of a scientific theory does not invalidate the theory itself.
>it is an ideology that is atheistic
>claiming that all things come
>about naturally without
>any 'intelligent' interactions.
I suggest you learn more about the theory of evolution before making such claims.
>True science is open to any form
>of challenge
When you come up with a better scientific theory that explains all the known data, feel free to share it.
>No one has seen a life form
>evolve into something significantly
>different from itself.
And how long have humans been observing natural phenomenae? A paltry few thousand years at BEST?
>Obvious mutations don't count
Except for the fact that that's one of the things that drives evolution. |  |
  |  |  | SF July 5, 2006 02:04 PM PDT
Faith-Based Science 2: Attacking Evolution
Science is our way of using reason and logic to understand how things work. One forms a hypothesis to explain data gathered by experiment or observation, and the hypothesis becomes a theory when supported by evidence. There are no absolutes in science -- even the "law" of gravity was found insufficient to explain the behavior of matter in extreme circumstances. Einstein succeeded Newton, and was in turn succeeded by Hawking.
There are really two forms of science. One is observational science and the other is origins or historical science. Observational science is the kind of science that put man on the moon, brought about the invention of the car, the light bulb, etc. Historical science on the other hand is based on unprovable assumptions about the past. Evolution would fall into this category. In fact, evolution shouldn’t be called a theory since a theory is a well substantiated explanation of data. Newton, by the way, was a creation scientists.
When science becomes entangled with ideology, however, the truth is what suffers.
Evolution is a faith based ideology, so why doesn’t this statement apply to it?
Evolution is a rather simple and elegant theory, and easy to explain. Over time, successive generations of creatures will slowly become more adept at survival in their environment, as long as that environment stays the same. No creature is precisely like either of its parents, as anyone can see. If any difference, no matter how slight, gives a creature an advantage in finding food, avoiding predators or finding a mate, that creature will live longer and consequently leave more descendants. The genes for those traits will become dominant in those descendants. Over time, traits that confer an advantage will spread among the population. If the environment changes, the process begins in a new direction.
What you have just described is what creationists call variation within a kind, and is predicted within the creationist’s model. For example, there are many varieties of dogs. Creationist predict that the two original kinds of dog had enough genetic makeup in their genes to produce all the varieties of dogs you see today. Also, creationists predict that this variation comes with limits. In other words, all dogs are still dogs and will always be dogs. This is what is observed. Nothing more.
Some on the Right try to discredit the theory of evolution for purely ideological reasons masquerading as scientific objections. Their "intelligent design" alternative theory depends on the active intervention of an intelligence: either God or advanced aliens. However, this theory doesn't explain the varying forms of life shown by the fossil records, unless that designing intelligence makes a LOT of mistakes and missteps.
The fossil record shows nothing but a catastrophic event that happened in the past. Something, say like Noah’s flood. There is plenty of evidence in the fossil record that supports this creation model as well, such as dinosaurs being buried right before they layed their eggs, and fish being buried with other fish in their mouths, etc. Many scientists today are coming around to the same way of thinking. Something that Noah’s flood would do. I don’t adhere to the intelligent design movement, unless the intelligent designer is the God of the Bible.
Let's cut to the heart of the debate. The anti-evolution crowd have two real objections to a simple, scientific theory: they feel evolution "disproves" the existence of God, and they object to any suggestion that humans may have evolved from lesser creatures. These are purely religious objections, not questions that can be answered by any amount of evidence.
You’re wrong on both counts. We don’t feel that evolution disproves God, but evolution does take God out of the equation. Why? Because death and suffering (two things needed for evolution to occur) did not happen until after Adam sinned. Also, God said that His creation was very good, does a world with death and suffering seem very good to you? Also, to object that humans evolved from lesser creatures in not based purely on religious grounds. There is no scientific evidence that says man was nothing less than man since the beginning of time. IN fact all the evidence suggests this, not the other way around.
Proponents of ID often denigrate evolution on the grounds that it can't explain how life began. But evolution is not a theory that covers the beginning of life; evolution must presuppose that life exists.
Have you ever heard of “primeval soup”? That is a bunch of chemicals that where life began in the ocean? Evolution does attempt it, they just can’t do so convincingly.
The creation of the universe is an entirely different discussion. Some argue that life forms are too complex to have evolved spontaneously, or randomly. Of course, evolutionary theory does not state either of those things.
Really? Then why are people performing experiments like this one? http://www.iscid.org/papers/Mullan_PrimitiveCell_112302.pdf
Randomness has little to do with whether a certain trait carries an advantage for a creature.
And yet evolution says that trait came about by a random mutation. Kind of contradictory, don’t you think?
ID enthusiasts also argue that evolution can't work as long as there are gaps in the fossil records. That's a fallacious argument, however -- every time a single gap is filled, two gaps are created.
By gaps I assume you mean transitional fossils? To date none have been found. So how can any gap be filled in? You have erected a straw man argument.
The theory of evolution is the best scientific way we've found so far to explain those gaps -- creatures slowly change over time to better suit their environment.
Really? If creatures change so slowly over time, then why aren’t there any transitional fossils?
Someone with a more inquisitive bent, but no understanding of science, might come up with a Lamarckian view: that giraffes changed by successive generations stretching to reach the highest leaves. Since we know that acquired traits are not inherited, that explanation makes no logical sense. Otherwise, millions of children would be born every year with their ears already pierced.
And yet at one time it was accepted by the scientific community.
On the other hand, evolutionary theory can provide a reasonable explanation. The ancestors of modern giraffes (a deer-like creature with a short neck) lived in the lush African grasslands as they began to dry out. Some naturally had slightly longer necks and forelegs than others, the same way some people are naturally taller than others. Because of increasing competition for food, the lower branches of the ancient acacia trees would get browsed out early, leaving the higher branches for taller creatures, who could find food when slightly shorter creatures went hungry. As a result, taller ones lived longer and mated more often, passing on the genes for longer necks and forelegs. Of course, other factors were involved in the selection for longer necks -- giraffes also use a long field of vision to help them spot predators, for instance -- but competition for food may have been the primary factor.
You say this is a reasonable explanation? Then I say, God created them that way is just as reasonable. Let’s look at the problems with this explanation:
http://www.natureinstitute.org/pub/ic/ic10/giraffe.htm
1. If only leaves from the highest branches were available to giraffes for food, then multiple species of browsing and grazing animals including antelope would have been eliminated. This is not the case.
2. Giraffes with long necks are larger overall and would require more food than the ones that were smaller and had shorter necks.
3. Male giraffes are typically up to a meter taller than the female giraffes. Baby giraffes of both genders are obviously short until they grow up. If the selection pressure for long necks is so great, it would seem to favor the elimination of the females. More importantly, what do the baby giraffes eat until they grow up? This type of selective pressure would seem to eliminate the offspring.
4. Giraffes today do not exclusively eat from the high branches. In fact, giraffes often eat at or below shoulder height.
5. From the perspective of drinking water, giraffes would actually seem to have necks that are too short since it is very awkward for them to bend over to reach the ground. To do so requires that their legs are splayed quite far apart in order for them to bring their head to ground level. Being able to reach water during a drought seems to be more important than reaching high branches for food.
6. There is no fossil record demonstrating that giraffes with short necks ever existed.
There is also a problem of new structures being required in addition to the neck lengthening. A very large blood pressure, about double that of a normal mammal, is required to pump blood to the brain when the giraffe is upright. But when the giraffe bends down to drink, this blood pressure would be expected to blow its brains out. However, the giraffe neck has a rete mirabile (Latin for “wonderful net”), a complex network of blood vessels, which helps to equalize the pressure. Giraffe legs also have a thick sheath of skin, like an astronaut’s G-suit, to prevent the high blood pressure from forcing blood to leak through capillaries.
The fossil record shows that the ancestors of modern giraffes branched off from something like a modern okapi during the early Miocene (around 23 million years ago). A line of several distinct species led to modern giraffes, each with progressively longer necks and forelegs. Meanwhile, the okapi, a close relative of the giraffe living in a rainforest area with plenty of food, remained essentially unchanged. Competition drives change.
All the fossil record shows is that there were many different variations of giraffes. It does show that the okapi is the same kind of animal.
Now, the anti-evolution crowd will feel that the above explanation is an attempt to prove there's no God. How that can be so escapes me.
Perhaps you have trouble understanding this because you don’t realize that evolution teaches that life came about by random chance. If life came about by random chance then there is no need of a god.
From all we've heard of God, he remains unseen, which gives belief a moral value.
Since evolution remains unseen, then perhaps it is a belief system?
If that were true, then he would likely set up a mechanism like evolution to enable species to respond to an ever-changing Earth without tipping his hand.
I guess this stems from the fact that you think your explanation of evolution is evolution when it is not. Evolution demands that less complex organisms evolve into more complex organisms. That is not what is observed.
After all, if we kept finding familiar animals suddenly changing into brand-new species everywhere we looked, we just might suspect a supernatural hand at work.
What do you base this on? Evolutionists say this happens naturally, nothing supernatural about it.
Religion would no longer have any more moral value than mathematics.
Perhaps you’ve answered your own question.
Evolution takes place under human supervision every day. Due to deliberate changes in their environment (that is, artificial selection for traits that merit breeding), cows have developed huge udders, sheep have developed thick, fluffy coats, dogs have developed hundreds of sub-species with specific traits that breed true, and so on. If deliberate, artificial selection by mere humans can accomplish such sweeping changes in only a few thousand years, how could anyone deny that greater changes can occur in the natural environment over the course of millions of years?
Once again, your definition of evolution is flawed. Artificial selection, just like natural selection is not proof of evolution. The dogs are still dogs and the cows are still cows. No new information has been added, so I don’t know what you think this statement proves.
Before dismissing evolution, consider this also: if evolution is a crock, then why are we so concerned about the avian flu mutating into a form that humans can pass to each other? Human beings may have effectively halted our own evolution upon achieving intelligence, but the natural pressure to adapt continues in even the most humble and simple forms of life.
Perhaps we are so concerned with it because so many scientists are evolutionists. By the way, it hasn’t happened yet, no matter how many times they cry wolf. Even if it does happen, is this proof of evolution? I don’t think so. Random mutations don’t increase information. The avian flu virus will still be a virus. In fact, often times a mutation decreases information, so maybe this is proof of devolution not evolution? All you have managed to prove is that the ability to adapt is something that was programmed into organisms by an intelligent designer, that is, the God of the Bible.
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  |  |  | suek February 6, 2007 11:38 AM PST
Evolution...
I have some disagreement with you on the topic. You posit that religious people view the theory (got that? _theory_) of evolution is a threat because it proves that there is no God. I disagree. I think that it is, in fact, the evolutionists who need evolution to prove that there is no God. I understand that there are _some_ who believe the Bible literally and think that the theory of evolution is contrary to the Creation as portrayed by Genesis, but you ignore the teachings of the RC church - which is not insignificant in numbers - which has no problem with evolution. So _some_ religionists have a problem with the theory of evolution, some do not.
Scientifically, I have a problem in that while evolution within species has undoubtedly been demonstrated, speciation - that is, deriving one species from a different one - has not. There's also a statistical problem. Today, certain species are considered to be in danger of becoming extinct if fewer than xx (depending on the animal) exists as the population. Yet evolutionists would have us believe that some mutation occurred - and it must have been the same mutation - in sufficient number within a population and within the short span of years that the species has, that a breeding population could be established. Since the definition of "species" (as I learned it) includes a factor of non-interbreedability between two species (they may breed, but cannot produce a fertile offspring) due to chromosomal numbers, I simply don't see that such a mutation - given the infrequency with which mutations occur - could establish a new species.
So...in sum:
a)I believe in a God. I don't think evolution challenges that belief.
b)I have a problem with evolution from a practical and statistical standpoint.
c) Why does it matter whether we evolved from single cells or other means? We're here. |  |
  |  |  | JM February 6, 2007 08:49 PM PST
>theory (got that? _theory_) of
>evolution
We also talk about the "theory of gravity," but I'm not willing to jump out a window to disprove it.
>evolution is a threat because it
>proves that there is no God
But it doesn't, suek. It neither proves nor disproves the existence of God... in fact, it has nothing to DO with the existence of God. Some people may want to USE it to make such a case, but they're actually misusing science.
>you ignore the teachings of the
>RC church - which is not
>insignificant in numbers - which
>has no problem with evolution
I certainly do not ignore that... I first LEARNED about evolution in Catholic school. This article is aimed at the people who refuse to even discuss evolution on religious grounds.
>speciation - that is, deriving one
>species from a different one - has
>not
Please see the following two sites for a more precise definition of species and some evidence of speciation:
http://www.talkorigins.org/faqs/faq-speciation.html
http://www.indiana.edu/~ensiweb/lessons/sp.evid.pdf
and please check out this site for some examples of "transitional" fossils:
http://www.geo.ucalgary.ca/~macrae/talk_origins.html
>I simply don't see that such a
>mutation - given the infrequency
>with which mutations occur - could
>establish a new species.
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