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Friday, January 16, 2004
Healthy Marriage vs. the Victim Cult
Healthy Marriage vs. the Victim Cult
Is anyone surprised that NOW, the National Organization for Women, came out (to coin a phrase) against President Bush's healthy marriage initiative? I know I'm not.
Since its inception, NOW has shifted from an organisation that once protected women and promoted equality to one that pushes its own harmful Liberal social-engineering agenda, more involved in gay and minority issues than those of women. These organisations encourage women, minorities and homosexuals to think of themselves as the helpless victims of Evil Rich Straight White Men instead of the thinking human beings they are. That creates a need for groups like NOW, GLAAD (Gay & Lesbian Alliance Against Defamation) or the NAACP (National Association for the Advancement of Colored People) to "protect" them, in a self-perpetuating cult of victimhood. Anything that reduces the amount of self-described "victims" in the world reduces the power of the cult, and so the groups have to oppose anything that actually addresses social problems, like Bush's healthy marriage initiative. NOW's objection to promoting healthy marriages and two-parent families is that somehow it "forces" the victims of domestic violence to "hook up" with abusers, according to Lisalyn Jacobs, vice president for government relations for the NOW Legal Defense and Education Fund. Huh?
Where do they get that? Is there a secret alternate version that only NOW members get to see? Or is it that they're so wrapped up in their own hatred of men and their own percieved victimhood that the phrase "healthy marriage" looks like so much cuneiform to them?
For me, as for many people, NOW lost much of their credibility as a legitimate women's rights organisation when they sided with Bill Clinton instead of the victims of his sexual predation. One chapter of NOW even threatened to break away from the national group over this. When they openly attacked Dr. Laura Schlessinger, then a radio talk show host, for advocating raising children in traditional families (gasp!), they lost whatever legitimacy they had left. Aren't mothers women, too? Mine certainly was.
I haven't read every detail of President Bush's plan to promote healthy marriages, nor do I need to in order to understand that helping couples who intend to marry form a stable, loving, healthy relationship is a good idea. Why is the divorce rate so high? Is it because movies and television denigrate family values, glorify infidelity and paint an unrealistic, or worse, downright nihilistic portrait of marriage? Is it simply because with the rising divorce rate over the last half century, fewer and fewer people have an example of a real, working, stable marriage to emulate? According to Joel Cohen's article, "Human Population: The Next Half Century" (from the 14 November 2003 issue of Science), "...the rise in divorce and cohabitation is weakening the ties between fathers and children. Nonmarital births increased as a percentage of all births in the United States from 5.3% in 1960 to 33.0% in 1999." How many social ills stem from broken homes, single parents struggling to raise children, and abusive marriages? I wouldn't be far off the mark if I said "most of them".
Once again, President Bush seems to be trying to do something about the root cause of a problem instead of merely patching over the symptoms. Helping couples work out their problems before they even arise -- a "preemptive strike", I suppose you could call it -- will reduce the number of single-parent families in the future. President Bush plans to make sure couples interested in marriage have access to counseling to teach them how to get along with each other, how to resolve differences and conflicts, how to manage money and chores, and how to deal with the strain of raising children. Who could possibly be against that?
Groups like NOW and GLAAD that subsist on the "victim cult", that's who.
Posted at Friday, January 16, 2004 by CavalierX
 |  |  | Kerry Dupont January 16, 2004 10:01 PM PST
Who could be against that?
I am. 1.5 billion dollars for what is NOT the cause IMHO. The welfare state and no fault divorce laws are much more at fault for our current divorce rates, as well as our cultural devaluation (that WE definitely agree on Cav, I just don't think that this is the way to fix it). Here's why. A societal condemnation on an issue is always much more meaningful and stronger than a governmental one. This is why the programs that are ALREADY available in other venues work. Pre-cana is required for Catholics, and in most parishes is taken quite seriously, a full 6 months of compatiblity testing in a variety of areas such as values on money, having kids, religion, commitment to marriage contemplated in situations such as the Reagans are currently in, etc. There are many other religious programs that are similar (and free-or supported by private charity of which the government discourages with every program that they add, but that's another discussion), that is just an example. Then, there is pre marital counseling available at local mental health clinics. All on a sliding fee. So anyone already pre disposed to be committed to marriage is going to be more likely to do this. What are we going to do, force this taxpayer financed pre-marriage couple counseling down the very people's throats that don't want it? For one thing, I don't see how this could possibly be implemented without the government sticking it's nose way too far into where it doesn't belong. For another, it isn't going to help the REAL issue.
I'm going to quote a writer on another blog:
"Here's the problem: in 1950, the out-of-wedlock birth rate was under 2% overall and under 5% for blacks. Now, it's 30% overall and 70% for blacks. Lots of things have changed since the 50s, one of which is federal welfare rules. In 1950, the only women who got welfare were widows and a few who'd been abandoned by their husbands. Women who bore children out-of-wedlock didn't qualify. Along with expanding welfare eligibility, the government decided, in its wisdom, that unwed mothers couldn't be living with a man and still qualify, even if he was unemployed and looking for work. So an ethic developed, esp. in the black inner-city family, where the best way for a man to support his children, literally, was to leave. And this set of policies had at least something to do with the skyrocketing rate of out-of-wedlock births, marriages falling apart, children joining gangs, inner city crime, and a host of other problems.
At long last, the government recognizes that it has, in effect, been working to discourage people from getting married for quite some time, and it wishes to change directions and try and undo some of the harm it's done. These marriage initiatives probably won't accomplish a whole lot, but they're a necessary counter-balance to the destructive effects of welfare policy on the family, and therefore long overdue."
IF THE WELFARE POLICY IS THE DESTRUCTOR HERE, WHY ARE WE DOING THIS? Because it <em>feels<em> good, I mean it is just accepted that we can't change the welfare system, and we all know that we can't change the court system, so at least it's something. Sorry, for this grown kid of divorced parents (married for 10 years with my own 2 kids) it doesn't cut it!
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  |  |  | JM January 16, 2004 10:43 PM PST
If Bush says, "I'm gonna make it harder to get a divorce" or "I'm gonna make it harder for single moms to get welfare", all HELL would break loose! Why do you think it isn't better to get rid of the reasons people WANT those divorces, or NEED that welfare? You say that if someone's not religious (and not everyone is; I'm not), they can get pre-marital or "couples" counseling at a mental health clinic. Been there, done that... the counselors my ex and I saw were all unrealistic fools at best, man-haters with an axe to grind (on me) at worst. OBVIOUSLY, that's not good enough, since divorce is MORE THE NORM than staying together. If spending 1.5 billion will prevent the state from spending tens of billions in welfare for single moms and hundreds of billions for courts to convict and prisons to house their damaged offspring, then COUNT ME IN. We may have to agree to disagree on this one. |  |
  |  |  | Miss Neuman January 17, 2004 02:07 AM PST
Wow Cav,
My mind is just a twilin' wondering what prompted this post. Dupont, sure has one excellent response.
People are now quitting smoking, number one reason: Social pressure, it's just no longer cool to smoke.
I don't know much about the welfare system, but before my sister passed I had to go their on her behalf (Awful place to be in), I saw more men there, then women and they were definately aliens, I have no clue about that?
TV programming even if good, those commercials pop up. Have you noticed how they make kids look like they have the power over the parents and it's totally acceptable, disrespecting the parent, making fun of the parent, on & on like that... God it's hard to tolerate. And then all this (crap) how it takes a village to raise a child, NO, it takes a mom & dad! When my sister (may she rest in peace) had her accident in 1986, my grandmother left a fund for my sisters daughter, I used it to put her through private school, she's now a teacher with a BA, & she just married a minister who is finishing up his PhD. I could not afford that schooling for my own children, but my niece had some tough things to overcome & with no mom or dad she really needed the special attention and it worked for her. None of us ever felt like playing a victim, it just pushed us to go the extra mile or 100 miles...LOL
Very Good Post CavX, sure has me thinking.
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  |  |  | NA January 17, 2004 08:38 PM PST
I'm not sure I agree. Is President Bush only planning to make available the different kinds of counseling you mentioned? Counseling is already available to those who wish to take it. If he plans to make the counseling mandatory, then that is WAY too much government intereference in people's private lives. Whatever new healthy marriage initiative Bush passes, it will not have the force to alter how society's view of marriage has changed. Brittany Spears will still be on the front page for a 55 hour marriage, Friends will still be the most popular television show with Ross having gotten married and divorced three times throughout the duration of it. Bush cannot change that, he will only end up intruding into what is a personal and private matter. |  |
  |  |  | JM January 17, 2004 09:36 PM PST
The types of free pre-marital counseling that are available now are generally terrible, extremely inconsistent at best. The plan is to make GOOD counseling available to couples who plan to marry so that those couples have a chance of staying together. No, counseling would NOT be mandatory. Only various religions make it mandatory, as far as I know.
Society's views of marriage have changed partly because so few people get the help they need to form a good marriage. That's what President Bush wants to change. Outside of Hollywood, do you think people get married INTENDING to fight over things they never thought about beforehand, and get divorced as a result? |  |
  |  |  | Kerry Dupont January 17, 2004 10:17 PM PST
1. It's not FREE. It's paid for by the US taxpayer.
2. In your experience which I am honestly sorry for (you said that you and your ex had counseling, you didn't say whether it was pre marital or post or both) the counseling was not good or was inconsistent. I would however suggest that we can't catogorize that across the country, it may be that way in your specific area.
3. I agree of course that counseling could not and shold not be mandatory, but that was exactly my point. Just as you said, not many people get married "intending" to get divorced, however, while you may be an exception to that rule, I'm willing to bet you "free" or not, the same demographic of people that NEED the counseling (those not educated by their parents/peers on what issues need to be in sync to have a long lasting relationship) are not going to be interested in it. I really doubt that there is this HUGE demographic out there right now that is thinking, "if only there were free, good, pre marital counseling (and there's no way to guarantee that this will be "good" counseling any more than you have experienced) we'd take advantage of it." Those people don't KNOW that they need counseling, if they did, they wouldn't already be in a relationship that has a good chance of not making it long term.
You said:
"If spending 1.5 billion will prevent the state from spending tens of billions in welfare for single moms and hundreds of billions for courts to convict and prisons to house their damaged offspring, then COUNT ME IN."
4. There's no PROOF, no studies that even suggest that this is going to do that. However, there is proof that if we cut the welfare system it WOULD affect these and other societal problems, we already have the data from the first 150 years of our nation when we didn't have welfare in the way that it exists today. We DID have charity, which required personal responsiblility and accountability. Thus the reasons that people think that they "WANT those divorces, or NEED welfare." There are very few cases that people NEED a divorce, and very many cases that people WANT welfare. Oh, they believe that it is the way that you said it, because society has told them so, and THAT'S what needs to change. |  |
  |  |  | Mark from Colorado January 17, 2004 10:57 PM PST
If NOW's against Bush's proposal, it must be worth supporting. When was the last time I agreed with NOW on a proposed piece of legislation? I can't remember when. It's important not to completely separate the "marraige initiative" from the larger "welfare reauthorization." From what I understand, the Democrats want to completely water down the welfare reform of 1996. The GOP wants to maintain these reforms. Perhaps we can all agree that we need to go further with these reforms and reward states that cut welfare spending (perhaps by allowing them to cut taxes or spend the federal grants on transportation projects). |  |
  |  |  | JM January 18, 2004 03:53 AM PST
Kerry --
Do you REALLY think that Bush could simply cut welfare -- a top-down fix to reducing the amount of money spent on it -- without getting lynched? Makes more sense to try to fix it from the bottom up. OK, it won't be immediate; the effects won't start to be seen for several years at least. However, making sure that couples who want to get married have access to the help they need to build a relationship that will last is a better fix to more problems than a band-aid "cut welfare" solution ever could be. Yes, I'd like it if he made immediate cuts to spending like that, but it's not reasonable to do so, nor would that by itself do a damn thing to fix the problem. |  |
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