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Who does the ACLU represent? What do the letters stand for? They claim they stand for "American Civil Liberties Union", but I doubt it... at least the "American" part. The latest outrage from these defenders of NAMBLA (North American Man-Boy Love Association, an organisation to which I'm not going to provide a link) is to defend terrorists. That's right, the ACLU is angrily insisting that the al-Qaeda terrorists and Taliban members detained at Guantanamo Bay in Cuba should be given all the rights of the American citizens they've killed and tried to kill. The ACLU seems to think that they should be treated as common criminals with citizens' rights, instead of foreign war criminals or terrorists.
Constitutional rights for foreign nationals who take up arms our people? Whose side is the ACLU on? I tried to find the place in the Constitution where it says that foreigners who have sworn to carry out our destruction are accorded the right to have a criminal trial as if they were merely caught shoplifting. I couldn't find it. You won't be able to, either. How can the Bush administration be causing a "dramatic erosion" of that which never existed? Today, the Supreme Court agreed to hear a case which will allow them to decide whether terrorists "may contest their captivity in American courts". Surely this must be a joke. If the Supreme Court decides in favor of the terrorists, and even one terrorist is freed by their decision, it will be one too many. The last time we dealt with something like this, captured enemy combatants were dealt with in the Nuremburg Trials. First, certain Nazi organisations were examined by the International Military Tribunal -- America, Great Britain, France and Russia -- and indicted as criminal organisations. Then prisoners of war were tried to determine the extent of their involvement with the criminal organisations: the SS, the Gestapo, and the Corps of the Nazi Party Political Leaders. All of this was carried out not in civilian courts, and not by granting the prisoners the same rights as American citizens. The trials were held by the military, and their outcome was swift and fair. While awaiting trial, the Nazi prisoners were held in far worse and restrictive conditions than the Taliban and al-Qaeda prisoners are in now. Thousands of personal lawyers were not retained at government expense, however, nor were tens of thousands of people called away from their jobs to serve on juries. None of them had a chance of escaping justice due to technicalities or lawyers' tricks. Most importantly, the trials were held when the war was OVER. I think the Nuremburg model is the one we should follow when dealing with the Guantanamo Bay prisoners. |
| Sarah November 11, 2003 05:13 AM PST Disgusting, as usual. What in the hell is wrong with people? Well said, CavalierX. | ||
| dda November 9, 2004 12:46 AM PST you conveniently ignore the fact that the white house has declared that 'enemy combatants' are not entitled to due process. that is, they can be held indefinitely without ever going to trial, with or without evidence of criminal (or terrorist) activity. this is markedly different from nuremberg and - since no independently confirmed information regarding conditions at guantanamo is available - your statement comparing the conditions under which prisoners are held is pure fiction. the justice department and pentagon now seek to make it possible for american citizens to also be declared enemy combatants. does this mean american citizens will also be stripped of their constitutional rights? of course it does. all 3 branches of government are now in the hands of a single party. without the checks and balances the framers of the constitution meant us to have, it is inevitable that increasingly radical policies and restrictions will continue to be enacted. how long before any expression of dissent makes one an 'enemy combatant'? | ||
| JM November 9, 2004 03:52 PM PST That sort of hysterical hyperventilating and fearmongering serves no useful purpose whatsover. For those who of us who pay attention, we know damn well that nothing of the sort will be permitted to happen. The Patriot Act, which scares Liberals to death, contains numerous checks and balances, and requires just as much judicial review as the serial killer and drug investigations it is modeled upon do. Jose Padilla was held under a 1943 ruling (ex parte Quirin) that allowed a citizen acting as a saboteur to be held without legal recourse in time of war, WHICH THIS IS. And as we all know, the court ruled that Padilla had to have access to lawyers after all, rendering your entire rant moot. | ||
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